14:09 Toni: pace of this bounce will make a range here on the 5 min highly probable so would watch for 2-wave setup
14:10 lionsharecapital: 2min setup long or short?
14:13 Toni: better test of last high will favor a buy
14:14 lionsharecapital: hey norancho we might be getting that H&S now
14:14 Toni: its the last upside and downside move that will really determine it
14:14 Toni: because then you can see the pace shift
14:21 xr3: whipsaw central here
14:21 lionsharecapital: 5min H&S on indices?
14:22 Toni: the bounce so fast is what is leading to this range here... hence the higher odds for that two-wave since it would make a triangle
14:23 Toni: you have this "V" type of action which is indicative of trading range beginning
14:23 Toni: would have been better for the bulls had it pulled up a bit higher though back into that 13:00 high
14:23 Toni: and then pulled back
14:24 lionsharecapital: will this range be the daily between dec2-5?
14:24 Toni: by "v" what i mean to start is if you look at the run from noon into 1
14:24 Toni: then the pullback
14:24 Toni: the pace was pretty similar
14:24 Toni: a little faster up
14:24 Toni: but not much
14:24 Toni: so this creates this peak
14:24 Toni: and it retraces more than half the prior rally
14:25 Toni: so this clues you into more of a range potential
14:25 Toni: it could have formed more of a low-level base at that 5 min support i posted
14:25 Toni: but had that little 2B on the 100 tick to shif pace on the smaller time frame
14:26 Toni: creating second bounce and then confirming longer range to come
14:26 Toni: so at this point i posted to watch for the 2 -wave pattern
14:26 Toni: since the pace was favoring upside in this congestion so far
14:27 Toni: had it pulled up a little more we would have most likely seen the second wave on a pullback off highs
14:27 Toni: be more gradual than that first from 13:00
14:27 Toni: creating a 2-wave buy
14:27 Toni: conversely, since it did not make it that far back up
14:27 AJ: tx Toni - great explanation
14:27 Toni: it makes potential for smaller 2-wave short
14:27 Toni: which would look kinda like an avalanche
14:27 Toni: i will draw charts fast
14:28 Toni: since this is probably a bit confusing
14:28 Toni: then you can reread along with it
14:28 lionsharecapital: going forward from here on the 2min/5min (looking for avalanche?)
14:28 AJ: will you post this to your blog as well?\
14:28 Toni: juset sec
14:33 Toni:

14:33 Toni: those were the two things i was watching to see if we would have develop
14:34 Toni: the top had it pulled up a bit more
14:34 Toni: just a sec
14:35 Toni:

14:35 lionsharecapital: so it is now the second chart formation you are favouring? the short setup?
14:36 Toni: now since it pulled back without a pace change on the second wave in top scenario though
14:36 Toni: the earlier highs now are resistance
14:36 Toni: so we have to watch the pace off this low
14:36 Toni: if it pops
14:36 Toni: it can lead to a slanted "a" setup still for upside but want a shift in the congestion
14:36 Toni: 14:36:42 Breakout Template: For information on A, B, C, D, or Z template patterns, please see

The green circle is the entry with the red bar as the stop.
14:39 Toni: u guys see that?
14:39 AJ: yes\
14:41 Toni: ranges can be tricky because the bias will sometimes shift within the range itself
14:41 Toni: it can start out with a faster drop for instance
14:41 Toni: and then as the range progresses the downside slows and upside increases
14:41 Toni: so you can have something that at first glance might look more likely to develop into a short
14:42 Toni: but then creates the reverse because of the pace shift in the range at the end
14:42 Toni: esp if the slower pace move is on lighter volume
14:42 Toni: then it suggests a breakout is most probable the opposite direction of that slower paced move
14:42 Toni: the larger time frame is always a guide
14:43 Toni: but if the larger time frame is not clear cut and had potential for a larger range, then the intraday ranges can be more tricky
14:43 Toni: since we are coming off that huge drop yesterday into this morning
14:43 Toni: it tells us that a correction off that would would have to round off at the low and upside is more likely to be with wider swings on smaller time frames unless it rounded off well
14:43 Toni: we had some rounding off premarket
14:44 Toni: but not enough to get the momentum to sharply reverse
14:44 Toni: we would have needed slightly lower lows on an 800 tick or so
14:44 Toni: es
14:44 Toni: to have gotten any larger pop
14:44 Toni: and since the momentum drop was so steep on the move into this morning
14:45 Toni: even a shift at the lows and fast pop today would not have broken the range from yesterday
14:45 Toni: congestion from intraday would have held from that 60 min range
14:45 Toni: and just pushed it back into another range
14:46 Toni: as it is we have a larger than 50% bounce so thos premarket lows wont break as easily if they try to hit fast again without a two-wave pattern on the 800 tick with this am as first wave up
14:47 Toni: so to get a sharp break of the lows we'd have to see pull back into premarket congestion
14:47 Toni: second bounce
14:47 Toni: then the break
14:47 Toni: like a repeat of the move that led to the breakdown yesterday
14:49 Toni:

14:49 Toni: the blue is the 2-wave setup that triggered yesterdays srop
14:50 Toni: the red is what would be most ideal if we were to see any stronger breakdown pattern of the lows this week
14:50 Toni: slightly lower lows would make for more of a 2b
14:50 Toni: 14:50:24 2B: For more information on this setup, please see
http://www.tradingfrommainstreet.com/techanalysis.html#214:51 Toni:

14:51 Toni: so
14:51 Toni: that would be if the morning highs held and pace shifted
14:52 Toni: those would be the patterns to have watched on the larger
14:52 Toni: so you can see
14:52 Toni: that market analysis is an ongoing process... you have a set of scenarios that can unfold
14:52 Toni: based upon the earlier price action
14:52 Toni: then as the price action develops
14:52 Toni: you can weed down the scenarios
14:52 Toni: to fewer options
14:53 Toni: typically resulting from pace shifts
14:53 Toni: you can see we got a version of that "a" setup
14:53 Toni: 14:53:19 Breakout Template: For information on A, B, C, D, or Z template patterns, please see

The green circle is the entry with the red bar as the stop.
14:53 Toni:

14:53 Toni: because of that lower low on the pullback
14:53 Toni: but heading into the pullback we were looking at basically three options
14:55 Toni: r here
14:55 Toni: 2 min equal move
14:55 Toni: and earlier highs zone
14:55 Toni: can be minor
14:55 Toni: with another push higher
14:56 Toni: since upside into noon was three waves
14:56 Toni: and this is only the second on this coming off the 14:30 lows
14:56 Toni:

14:56 Toni: so... the bottom is the template i drew
14:57 Toni: on

14:57 Toni: as it was hitting the second low
14:57 Toni: and you can see that on
14:57 Toni:

14:57 Toni: we had very similar development
14:57 Toni: as the template
14:58 Toni: blue arrows show the corresponding lows on the template vs the price action that developed
14:58 Toni: cool eh?
14:58 JKnPA: Like snow
14:58 Toni: but its always ongoing... you start with a small handful of potential outcomes based upon the larger time frames
14:59 Toni: typically about 3 possibilities
14:59 Toni: then as it develops you can narrow it down based upon the smaller time frames
15:00 Toni: it really is annoying when i write something on friday and then people harp on me that it didnt play out the same, but what they dont see is that the pace shifted so as sunday/monday trade rolled around i actually changed my outlook based uon the smaller time frames... shows they dont seem to understand the relationship between the time frames...
15:01 Toni: its like saying.. well if you live in the north, it will snow in the winter
15:01 Toni: you can make that conclusion quite far in advance
15:01 Toni: but predicting days and amounts only become more exact as it gets closer
15:02 Toni: here is that third wave on the 2 min btw
15:02 Toni: 14:55 Toni: r here
15:02 Toni: 14:55 Toni: 2 min equal move
15:02 Toni: 14:55 Toni: and earlier highs zone
15:02 Toni: 14:55 Toni: can be minor
15:02 Toni: 14:55 Toni: with another push higher
15:02 Toni: 14:56 Toni: since upside into noon was three waves
15:03 Toni: ES coming into 5 min 200 sma now
15:03 Toni: so would consider target zone hit on the 2-wave buy from 14:#0
15:03 Toni: 30
15:03 Toni: well... hope you guys get a chance to read this if you havent already.... i'll post it on the blog
15:04 lionsharecapital: ty toni
15:04 billgi: ty
15:04 AJ: tx
15:06 Toni: since pace was stronger on the 5 min off 14:30 than into noon, expect potential for slightly higher highs into the resistance which can then round things off for a pullback into the lst 30-45 min
15:07 Toni: NQ and YM btw both tested their 5 min 200 strongly, just ES was trailing
15:08 AJ: why would the stronger pace result in the pullback? would have thought slower pace will set that up?
15:09 Toni: no, stronger pace meant that it can shift momentum at the highs instead of necessarily pivot sharply off the highs
15:09 AJ: k
15:09 Toni: opened door for slightly higher highs
15:09 AJ: so it need another pus?
15:09 Toni: momo reversal on like a 300 tick
15:09 AJ: push
15:09 Toni: instead of sharp reversal off this high
15:09 AJ: k
15:09 AJ: got it
15:09 Toni: even though this was the target
15:10 Toni: so.. best place to take gains was on that third push
15:10 Toni: but might have seen slightly higher highs
15:10 Toni: didnt.. but it left that potential open
15:10 AJ: and shorting?
15:11 Toni: it would have made it higher risk to have traded a pivot short
15:11 AJ: better not to?
15:11 Toni: since you could have gotten flushed out
15:11 Toni: because the momo did not shift
15:11 AJ: due to pace?
15:11 AJ: cool
15:11 Toni: correct
15:11 Toni: so it was target on the long
15:11 Toni: but higher risk for a short
15:11 AJ: did 3 surges not shift momo?
15:11 Toni: make sense?
15:11 AJ: very much
15:11 Toni: no.. because the overall three pushes higher was stronger pace than prior three pushes higher
15:12 Toni: i will show
15:12 Toni: just sec
15:12 Toni:

15:12 AJ: great - been doing lots of work on those momo shifts
15:13 Toni: so i didnt short and reverse my postion even though i knew it was resistance
15:13 Toni: i just covered the long
15:13 AJ: what time did you enter long?
15:14 Toni: 14:34
15:14 Toni: basically when i posted that chart for the potential "A"
15:14 AJ: toni - thanks for sharing - really appreciated
15:14 Toni: yw
15:14 lionsharecapital: yes ty ..your awsome!
15:14 AJ: on the 2b
15:14 Biegs: toni i'm reading too and thank you greatly... plan to review this log extensively this weekend
15:14 Toni: yes, on the 2B
15:16 Toni: i'm actually done for the day... have to deal with some phone calls to be made, but will get this log posted as soon as i get a chance so you can study it
15:16 sewbee: yes will study, tx!
15:17 Toni: since we didnt get that small momo on like the 1 min or 50 tick or whatever.. that makes this pullback slower like we are seeing
15:17 Sherry: tks would like to study log too
15:17 Toni: it will be at http://www.tonihansen.com/blog
15:17 Toni: probably within the hour
15:18 Toni: btw... notice on the 800 tick ES that we have a momo shift trying to take place since those premarket lows... all the slightly higher highs today vs the sharper rally into 10
15:19 Toni: sry.. can see perhaps best on nq
15:20 AJ: momo down?
15:20 AJ: 3 pushes etc
15:20 Toni:

15:20 JKnPA: Comments on 2T at 879 on 5min. chart?
15:21 Toni: those are two of the typical developments if the lower channel breaks
15:24 Toni: btw... i apologize for the dec charts here in these.. switched my ib but not my charts on this page so prices are a bit different.. i trade off the charts and tend to not look at price in futures :)
15:24 Toni: updated them on my other pages but forgot this one
15:24 Toni: current symbol is H9 ending for march
15:24 Toni: jk... what time frame
15:25 Toni: i mean what time was the 2T
15:25 Toni: there wwere several today witht he main one on that resistance we were looking at as the target on the last setup
15:25 Toni: into 15:00
15:26 JKnPA: 1pm and 3pm
15:26 JKnPA: 5min. chart
15:27 Toni: might have taken it at 15:06 on the tiny avalanche but was busy typing hehe
15:27 Toni: didnt take initial r because of the potential for the momo shift smaller time frames
15:27 Toni: and closing open position
15:27 Toni: did offer shift with an avalanche smaller time frames
15:27 Toni: but i didnt see it in time
15:27 Toni: also had to expect slower choppier follow through at least to start
15:28 Toni: because the lack of momo shift on the smaller time frames
15:28 Toni: would have first target here with the 5 min 20 sma
15:28 Toni: again.. didnt take it
15:29 Toni: ok gang... gotta go... will post logs after done with phone
15:29 Toni: see ya next week!
15:29 Toni: have a great weekend!
15:29 lionsharecapital: g wkend
15:29 norancho: have a great weekend
15:29 raneman: c ya T
15:39 Toni:

15:39 Toni: cant talke but there is chart for 2T
15:40 Toni: can see the greater tisk because it had 2 momo shifts into that 5 min 20 sma as it was
15:41 norancho: adios amigos
15:48 Toni: